Meanwhile, Sunny California, here we come!
Zondervan: does comparison of a number of translations, with a graphic showing where each fits on the spectrum of word-for-word (literal) or thought-for-thought (paraphrase). However, it may be skewed in favor of the New International Version (which the graphic shows located in the middle of the spectrum) which Zondervan publishes.Anyone know if the graphic on the Zondervan page is approximately accurate? I would find it helpful to have a quick place to reference when I read when someone points out their preferred bible.
However, it's interesting that you choose a somewhat negative term like 'deconverted' to describe your transition, as if you feel that you have lost something or at least, experienced some sense of loss.This is astute! I actually think of my transition as a de-evolution. To evolve means to become more complex and my beliefs are now much simpler. However, the other part of the evolution definition is "better". Obviously, I think my change IS for the better. So I punted, and said "deconversion".
If, in any culture, children are taught, ‘We are all equally unworthy in the sight of God’ -Source: gonesavage by way of Goosing the Antithesis.
If, in any culture, children are taught, ‘You are born in sin and are sinful by nature’ -
If children are given a message that amounts to ‘Don’t think, don’t question, believe’ -
If children are given a message that amounts to ‘Who are you to place your mind above that of the priest, the minister, the rabbi?’ -
If children are told, ‘If you have value it is not because of anything you have done or could ever do, it is only because God loves you’ -
If children are told, ‘Submission to what you cannot understand is the beginning of morality’ -
If children are instructed, ‘Do not be “willful”, self-assertiveness is the sin of pride’ -
If children are instructed, ‘Never think that you belong to yourself’ -
If children are informed, ‘In any clash between your judgement and that of your religious authorities, it is your authorities you must believe’, -
If children are informed, ‘Self-sacrifice is the foremost virtue and the noblest duty’ -
- then consider what will be the likely consequences for the practice of living consciously, or the practice of self-assertiveness, or any of the other pillars of healthy self-esteem.
[Nathaniel Branden, The Six Pillars of Self-Esteem, Bantam (May 1, 1995) p 291-292]
And if A & E [Adam & Eve] had no idea what Good and Evil were, how could they know that to eat from the Tree was Evil? How could they know that disobeying was Evil? If disobeying presupposes knowledge of Good and Evil, how could they know what disobeying was? Basically, what I’m seeing here is god planting a tree on purpose, telling two kids who don’t know what disobeying was to not disobey, then sentencing them to a life of pain (Genesis 3:16 and 3:17) when they disobeyed. This makes no sense. This makes god an asshole. If I had kids and treated them this way, I would be charged with abuse.Thanks, Francois and gonesavage!
You don't have to tell kids that god doesn't exist. All you have to do is tell them that God can be anything they want it to be, because it's an idea that comes from the imagination.I've been letting this seep into my brain for the past week. This feels so right and fits right in with my larger philosophy. I want my children to be independent, free thinkers, full of curiosity and compassion. I don't want to tell them what to think (which I'm sure would be a futile exercise anyway). I value allowing them the freedom to explore and make mistakes if need be, under my protection and gentle guidance. But how do I do this when "God" is such a part of our culture? Ms. Mandell's statement is a way of thinking about the issue in line with my parenting style.
And then let them figure out the rest for themselves.
Lastly, have you ever seen an atom? And yet, if all of our abilities to actually see an atom (i.e. through an electron microscope) were destroyed, I'm guessing you'd still believe that atoms are real because of the 'testimony' or 'written record' of others who had seen them in the past; am I wrong?I love this question.